An MR3 Question

Here’s a good question for liturgical sticklers:

After MR3 is implemented and you are saying or encouraging “And with your spirit” as the correct assembly response to a liturgical greeting at Mass, will you continue “by the book” and respond or urge “and also with you” for liturgy outside of Mass? Or, for the sake of integration into our liturgical memories and praxis, is it better to be done with the “black” in the instance of funerals or sacraments outside of Mass, and encourage a blanket implementation.

Discuss, if you wish.

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Todd lives in Minnesota, serving a Catholic parish as a lay minister.
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5 Responses to An MR3 Question

  1. Liam says:

    I think the Mass allows for liturgical catechesis over time, by its repetitive nature. The other instances tend to be acute, rather than chronic, as it were, so I believe the issue is that they are not really opportunities for much in the way of liturgical catechesis, so what you get from the PIPs is what you get.

  2. Mike K says:

    Todd and Liam, you both make points that lead me to two conclusions, which I see as being very plausible:
    1. Regular weekday/Sunday Mass will see the adjustments to the responses made rather quickly.
    2. At special liturgies/Masses (funerals, baptisms, confirmations, etc.) where the attendees may include some who aren’t frequent Mass-goers, some who are “unchurched” and some who belong to other ecclesial communities/faiths, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear “and also with you” and some other “old” language.

    In the case of number 2, I would hope that some stick-in-the-mud does NOT use that as an opportunity to “yell” at the congregation in an effort to solicit the right response. While every liturgy is supposed to be a teaching moment, sometimes it’s necessary to start with the basics.

  3. Caedmon says:

    The change will come years down the road when “and with your spirit” has become so engraved into our patterns that we are using it in our everyday conversation. It won’t be an intentional choice, just a new habit.

  4. FrMichael says:

    Should we make an over/under bid for how long it takes for the new responses to become the norm at the liturgies outside of daily and Sunday Mass? IMHO the last hold out for the old form will be the vigils in funeral homes.

    I bid two years.

  5. Todd says:

    Actually, if you say the black, at funeral vigils, the order will still have “and also with you.” As far as I’ve read, only the Ordo Missae has been changed.

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