Another Interview

Rocco whispered this translation of another Pope Francis interview. Some highlights:

The CDWDS will always be headed by a cardinal:

The head of a dicastery such as the … liturgical dicastery …  will always be a cardinal. This is best because dicasteries are very close to the Pope. But dicastery secretaries do not necessarily have to be bishops because a problem we have is when we have to change a bishop-secretary, where do we send him?

Should Arthur Roche be concerned some layperson might replace him soon?

Resistance is good, if it’s out in plain sight:

You said it. Resistance is now evident. And that is a good sign for me, getting the resistance out into the open, no stealthy mumbling when there is disagreement. Its healthy to get things out into the open, it´s very healthy.

Agreed, especially on the parish level. A number of people are hamstrung by legal what-if’s. They don’t feel they can say anything for fear of losing a job or being sued. But if it’s getting to that point, there’s likely already whispering afoot and the relationship is already poisoned.

On Cardinal Burke:

One day Cardinal Burke asked me what he would be doing as he had still not been confirmed in his position, in the legal sector, but rather had been confirmed “donec alitur provideatur.” And I answered “Give me some time because we are thinking of a legal restructuring of the G9”. I told him nothing had been done about it yet and that it was being considered. After that the issue of the Order of Malta cropped up and we needed a smart American who would know how to get around and I thought of him for that position. I suggested this to him long before the synod. I said to him “This will take place after the synod because I want you to participate in the synod as Dicastery Head”. As the chaplain of Malta he wouldn´t have been able to be present. He thanked me in very good terms and accepted my offer, I even think he liked it. Because he is a man that gets around a lot, he does a lot of travelling and would surely be busy there. It is therefore not true that I removed him because of how he had behaved in the synod.

I think that conservatives, and probably Pope Benedict would have sacked someone for opposition–it’s how many of them operate. In the US, we understand the Gospel according to Karl Rove and Deal Hudson and the culturewar. It is not enough to defeat opponents when one can render them jobless.

I do notice that Pope Francis remarks twice in this paragraph about how travel-friendly Cardinal Burke is. That could be some old-fashioned Ignatian discernment. If a guy likes to “get around,” why would a desk job in the curia be such a thrill?

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Todd lives in Minnesota, serving a Catholic parish as a lay minister.
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2 Responses to Another Interview

  1. FrMichael says:

    “I think that conservatives, and probably Pope Benedict would have sacked someone for opposition–it’s how many of them operate.” Oh really? I think the problem with conservative prelates is that they didn’t sack many people when they had the chance, Pope Benedict most of all (Cardinal Sodano being a classic example). My more Roman-attuned (and generally liberal) brother priests concur that despite Francis’ public image, he is in fact the most heavy-handed pope with respect to the Roman bureaucracy and cardinals since the Pius triumvirate.

    Not saying that’s such a bad thing, since the Roman Curia has heretofore been resistant to reform. A little smashing of heads goes a long ways. I just hope that Francis takes out the Roman branch of the Lavender Mafia when he gets a chance during the curial restructuring. Even he admitted it exists: let him do something about it.

    • Todd says:

      It’s possible that by the time B16 was in Peter’s chair, most of the sackables were gone. I do note the long memory of the CDF head from the time when he was pushed back on Charles Curran in 1986 to the handling of that bishop’s retirement–but only after the summer siesta was completed and the regional arch got to make his point of gratitude.

      If there is indeed a lavender mafia, you and I and others are likely not to hear of it being sacked, as secret organizations will likely remain secret. Does Cardinal Burke count as a first casualty on that score? We may never know. And if it is importune to bring up the question and that man’s name, it would seem to be true for anyone, including Cardinal Sodano.

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